4 Feb 2018

Old Testament filled with violence just like the Koran?

An enquiry

by Jonathan Ekene Ifeanyi

Francis and Muslims reading the Koran
Few days ago, I tried contrasting “Pope” Francis’ teaching on the Koran with what we truly find in the Koran. I posted my comments on a certain facebook page (named, Protestant, Orthodox and Catholic Discourse). The attack I got will shock you! I was vigorously attacked by both Catholics and Protestants who dismissed my post with the assertion that “both the Old Testament and the Koran are filled with violence”. Unfortunately before I could post further comments to counter them, I was already “suspended”! 

Here was what I posted:

“Francis: “...for authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Quran are opposed to every form of violence.”  (Amoris, paragraph #253.

“Quran: (Sura 9 verse 123): “O you who believe! Fight those of disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find hardness in you; and know that Allah is with those who are Al-Muttaqun (the pious).”

“Quran: (Sura 2:193; 2: 244): “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah). And fight in the way of Allah and know that Allah is All-Hearer, All-knower.”

“Quran: (Sura 47 verse 4): “So, when you meet (in fight—Jihad in Allah’s Cause) those who disbelieve, smite (their) necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them…”

Michael Stratton was the first to “counter” me. Unfortunately I can’t quote his exact comments here because before I could respond to him I was already “suspended” and the post itself was deleted! But he did so by quoting the Book of Numbers (Chapter 31 where such “violence” is located!). His point — and the point of others as well — was that both the Old Testament and the Koran are “filled with violence” — therefore I must shut up!

Below was the answer I wanted to post before I was “suspended”:

Anyway, Michael Stratton, here is my response to your “Violence in the Old Testament” (I pray they won’t delete it as well!):

First of all you demonstrated clearly that you are NOT a Christian. If you are, you should have known that EVERY SINGLE KILLING IN THE OLD TESTAMENT IS JUSTIFIABLE BECAUSE THEY WERE ORDERED BY GOD – WHEREAS THE KILLINGS IN THE KORAN ARE SIMPLY DEMONIC BECAUSE THEY WERE ORDERED BY THE DEVIL.

You remind me of Michael Hardman (another Michael but a sincere one!) who once raised the same question. He said:

“Jonathan - "every single killing of a human being in the O.T. is perfectly justifiable". Hmm.

“Is it justifiable, when the Israelites complained that too many people were being killed, then to send a plague that kills 14,700 more? (Numbers 16: 41-49)

“Is it justifiable for the Israelites to kill all the Midianites (save for the virgins, who they were allowed to rape)? (Numbers 31: 7-18)

“Is it justifiable to kill 50,070 men for looking into the ark of the covenant? (1 Samuel 6: 19)
“Is it justifiable for 42 boys to be torn up by bears for mocking Elisha? (2 Kings 2: 23-24)”

And here was my response:

“If you really believe in God, Michael, then I expect you to be wise in your "reasoning". But I would have no problem with the said "reasoning" if you don't.

“Every single killing in the O.T. (i.e. those authorised by God) is PERFECTLY JUSTIFIABLE. But the killings authorised by Allah in the Quran (such as killing everyone who refuses to convert) are not just questionable — they're demonic.

“First of all, in the Old Testament anyone who sinned against God was given instant judgement — often killing. Today (under the New Testament) all who sin against God will also receive their just punishment but in the next life — though some do receive part of those punishments here on earth as well. So the situation (in the Old and new Testaments) is basically the same. It doesn't matter how long bad people live on this earth — once they die they face the reality. Hence Christ said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfil them. For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.…" (Matthew 5:17-18).

“That said, in Numbers 16: 41-49 a man called Core and his adherents committed a very serious sin: they revolted against two servants of God — humble Moses himself and Aaron the priest! In fact, their sin is similar to the sin of today’s Protestants: they wanted Moses and Aron (anointed servants of God) to stop being their leaders and declared that all the people should lead themselves! That all the people should be priests and prophets as well! This was (probably) the first sin of schism! Like most people in this era, they blasphemed the Lord. So they were justifiably punished by God. “And the Lord speaking to Moses and Aaron, said: separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may presently destroy them.” (Numbers 16:20-21).

“Moses addressed the people, and scripture says that immediately after Moses had finished speaking, “the earth broke asunder under their feet: And opening her mouth, devoured them with their tent and all their substance. And they went down alive into hell, the ground closing upon them, and they perished from among the people.” (Ibid. 31-33). Those that offered incense following Core (250 of them) were also destroyed (by fire), so also those who later accused Moses of killing Core and his adherents (14,700). As for the faithful Israelites, Aaron prayed for them and the plague stopped. (Ibid. 41-49).

“In Numbers 31: 7-18 the Midianites were slain for having drawn the people of Israel into sin. You’re lying by saying that they raped the Midianite women! The Israelites did not rape their women. The scripture says: “And they took their women, and their children captives...” (Numbers 31:9). Moses of course rebuked them for this: “And Moses being angry with the chief officers of the army, the tribunes, and the centurions that were come from the battle, said: Why have you saved the women? Are not these they, that deceived the children of Israel by the counsel of Balaam, and made you transgress against the Lord by the sin of Phogor, for which also the people was punished? Therefore kill all that are of the male sex, even of the children: and put to death the women, that have carnally known men. But the girls, and all the women that are virgins save for yourselves.” (Numbers 31:14-18). They were to MARRY—and not to RAPE—those virgins, something common in those days. So what’s your problem with that?

““Is it justifiable to kill 50,070 men for looking into the ark of the covenant? (1 Samuel 6: 19)”.

“Well I don’t blame you. I rather blame the culture of death in which you were certainly brought up. But I want to assure you that the present world—where freedom has become the absence of limit; where the individual is alone and there are no route maps; where there are no criteria by which different lifestyles could be evaluated; where any kind of discrimination between cultural norms as better or worse is forbidden; where there is no truth but only “what seems meaningful for me”; where there are no honoured models to shape behaviour; where religion (particularly the true one) is relegated to the margins of influence and where NOTHING IS SACRED—will definitely receive a greater punishment.

“Again, “Is it justifiable for 42 boys to be torn up by bears for mocking Elisha? (2 Kings 2: 23-24)”. I reply: Even something greater will happen to so many of today’s God-denying people who not only mock but utterly destroy all that is sacred!

“Finally, all your questions are certainly based on your arrogant assumption that man has no creator but is a master over himself. For, if you truly believe that someone actually created you (even without your consent), then it would logically follow that that person also has ABSOLUTE RIGHT over you — right to make laws for you to obey and even the right to terminate your very life anytime he wishes to do so.

“Now the funny thing is that you certainly would have no problem with the government of your country when, for instance, a law offender is legally executed (and I mean man-made laws). But you quickly question the creator of the world for destroying those who are going against His commandments, His laws!”

And sincere Michael Hardman, unlike demon-possessed Michael Stratton, said: “Jonathan, many thanks for taking the time to respond in such detail. Apologies if I came across as arrogant; that was certainly not my intention. I am just trying to understand, and there is much food for thought in what you have said.”

Let us beware of modern “Catholics” (especially followers of John Paul II and other V2 Popes!) and Protestants. Some of these people are simply worse than atheists. They don’t really believe in the Bible, rather they only pick and choose. They pick what they like and throw away what they don’t like. The reason behind this attitude? See: Francis and his gang of heretics pushing for women ordination.

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30 Jan 2018

Cardinal Zen: Vatican is now backing a ‘new…schismatic Church’ in China

by Doug Mainwaring
                        
Zen
CHINA, January 30, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – China’s leading prelate, Cardinal Joseph Zen, is sounding the alarm that the Vatican "is selling out the Catholic Church in China"  and that it is "giving the blessing on the new...schismatic Church" created by the Communists.

"So, do I think that the Vatican is selling out the Catholic Church in China? Yes, definitely, if they go in the direction which is obvious from all what they are doing in recent years and months," the 86-year-old retired Bishop of Hong Kong wrote in a Jan. 29 letter addressed to “Friends in the Media,” in which he confirmed a report that the Vatican had asked legitimate Chinese bishops to step down in favor of communist-picked bishops.
  
Cardinal Zen outlined how the Vatican's capitulation to China’s communist regime is only making the regime clamp down harder on faithful Catholics.

"The Communist Government is making new harsher regulations limiting religious freedom. They are now strictly enforcing regulations which up to now were practically only on paper (from the 1st of February 2018 attendance to Mass in the underground will no longer be tolerated)," he wrote.
 
The Cardinal's letter comes days after news broke that the Vatican has allegedly asked legitimate bishops to step down from their post in order to make way for the installation of new, illegitimate bishops, hand-picked by the government.


The Cardinal related in his letter that when China’s Bishop Zhuang, secretly ordained with Vatican approval in 2006, was asked by the Vatican last fall to step down in order to be replaced by government-approved, excommunicated Bishop Huang Bingzhang, Zhuang reached out to Zen for help.  


Uncertain whether or not his own letters ever reach Pope Francis, Cardinal Zen said that he traveled to Rome eariler this month to "make sure that our voice reached the Holy Father."

Cardinal Zen landed in Rome on the morning of January 10, and went straight to the Pope’s Wednesday Public Audience held in Paul VI Hall, hoping to have an opportunity to place his letter in the Pope’s hands.  When he had the chance to greet the Pope, he explained that this was his sole reason for his spur-of-the-moment travel to Rome.

Two days later, Cardinal Zen was invited to Santa Marta where he met privately with Pope Francis.  “I was there in the presence of the Holy Father representing my suffering brothers in China,” recounts Zen in his letter.  Pope Francis promised to look into the matter.

Zen related that after he outlined his concerns the Pope told him the following words: “Yes, I told them (his collaborators in the Holy See negotiating with China) not to create another Mindszenty case.”

Commented the Cardinal in his letter:

"I think it was most meaningful and appropriate for the Holy Father to make this historical reference to Card. Josef Mindszenty, one of the heroes of our faith. (Card. Josef Mindszenty was the Archbishop of Budapest, Cardinal Primate of Hungary under Communist persecution. He suffered much in several years in prison. During the short-lived revolution of 1956, he was freed from prison by the insurgents and, before the Red Army crashed the revolution, took refuge in the American Embassy. Under the pressure of the Government he was ordered by the Holy See to leave his country and immediately a successor was named to the likings of the Communist Government)".

Cardinal Zen had previously denounced a Vatican agreement with the Chinese atheistic Communist government and had indirectly accused Pope Francis of backing a “fake” church in China.

“But the whole thing is fake. They [the Vatican] are giving decisive power to the government … how can the initiative of choosing bishops be given to an atheistic government? Incredible. Incredible,” he said at that time.

While the first part of Cardinal Zen’s letter is a simple narrative about the events surrounding his trip to Rome, the second part reveals his alarming assessment of the events which have transpired between the Vatican, the legitimate Chinese “underground” Catholic Church, and the Chinese communist government.

Cardinal Zen offers eight points which underscore the urgency of the situation which now exists.  Among these are:
  • "[T]he problem is not the resignation of the legitimate Bishops, but the request to make place for the illegitimate and even excommunicated ones."
  • “I acknowledge myself as a pessimist regarding the present situation of the Church in China, but my pessimism has a foundation in my long direct experience of the Church in China. From 1989 to 1996 I used to spend six months a year teaching in the various Seminaries of the official Catholic community. I had direct experience of the slavery and humiliation to which those our brother Bishops are subjected.”
  • “And from the recent information, there is no reason to change that pessimistic view. The Communist Government is making new harsher regulations limiting religious freedom.”
  • “Some say that all the efforts to reach an agreement is to avoid the ecclesial schism. How ridiculous! The schism is there, in the Independent Church! The Popes avoided using the word “schism” because they knew that many in the official Catholic community were there not by their own free will, but under heavy pressure. The proposed “unification” would force everybody into that community. The Vatican would be giving the blessing on the new strengthened schismatic Church.”
  • Regarding attempts to bridge the long divide between the Vatican and the Chinese government, “can there be anything really “mutual” with a totalitarian regime?”
  • “[C]an you imagine an agreement between St. Joseph and King Herod?

     ·  “[D]o I think that the Vatican is selling out the Catholic Church in China? Yes, definitely, if they go in the direction which is obvious from all what they are doing in recent years and months.”
The Vatican was not pleased with Zen's accusations.
 
In a move to perhaps gain control of the narrative regarding the shift in Chinese diplomacy under Pope Francis, Holy See Press Office Director Greg Burke issued a statement attempting to reassure Catholics that the Pope and members of the Curia are in close contact and working together on the issue:

“The Pope is in constant contact with his collaborators, in particular in the secretariat of State, on Chinese issues, and is informed by them faithfully and in detail on the situation of the Catholic Church in china and on the steps in the dialogue in progress between the Holy See and the People’s Republic of China, which he follows with special attention.  It is therefore surprising and regrettable that the contrary is affirmed by people in the Church, thus fostering confusion and controversy.”
  
A report issued by Catholic News Service notes that the Vatican Press Director’s statement was silent regarding the accuracy or inaccuracy of the proposed transfer of bishops in China.

As such, the most pressing questions raised by Cardinal Zen’s letter remain unanswered.

Pundits say that the Chinese government is cracking down on the religious liberty of faithful Catholics because they represent an existential threat to the communist regime.

“The Chinese Communists studied the fall of the Soviet Union in 1989 and the liberation of the nations behind the Iron Curtain thanks to St. John Paul II, Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher, and many others in the West who kept the pressure on Moscow,” explains The Catholic Thing’s Robert Royal. “They appreciate the power of religion and clearly believe they can prevent Christianity from doing in China what it did in Poland and elsewhere.”

Catholics, though not a huge percentage of the country’s population, total roughly 60 million faithful, notes Royal.  “It’s safe to say that more Christians are in church on a Sunday morning in China than in all of Europe.”

“The Vatican seems to be stumbling in its relations with a regime that we can be sure will not respect the freedom of the Church since it doesn’t respect the freedom and dignity of its own people,” says Royal.  “Vatican negotiators would do well to remember the lessons of the Communist Era in Europe, particularly Solzhenitsyn’s warning that we must fully understand the nature of Communist regimes and not give in to the illusion that the split between us and them ‘may be abolished through successful diplomatic negotiations.’  Because the split is spiritual, deeply so, not political.”

Cardinal Zen, at the end of his letter, asks, “Am I the major obstacle in the process of reaching a deal between the Vatican and China? If that is a bad deal, I would be more than happy to be the obstacle.”
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Cardinal Zen's January 29, 2018 letter to the Media.

Dear Friends in the Media,

Since AsiaNews has revealed some recent facts in the Church in mainland China, of legitimate bishops being asked by the “Holy See” to resign and make place for illegitimate, even explicitly excommunicated, “bishops”, many different versions of the facts and interpretations are creating confusion among the people. Many, knowing of my recent trip to Rome, are asking me for some clarification.

Back in October, when Bishop Zhuang received the first communication from the Holy See and asked me for help, I send someone to bring his letter to the Prefect of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples, with, enclosed, a copy for the Holy Father. I don’t know if that enclosed copy reached the desk of the Holy Father. Fortunately, Archbishop Savio Hon Tai Fai was still in Rome and could meet the Pope in a fare-well visit. In that occasion, he brought the two cases of Shantou and Mindong to the knowledge of the Holy Father. The Holy Father was surprised and promised to look into the matter.

Given the words of the Holy Father to Archbishop Savio Hon, the new facts in December were all the more a shocking surprise to me. When the old distressed Bishop Zhuang asked me to bring to the Holy Father his answer to the message conveyed to him by the “Vatican Delegation” in Beijing, I simply could not say “No”. But what could I do to make sure that his letter reach the Holy Father, while not even I can be sure that my own many letters did reach him.

To make sure that our voice reached the Holy Father, I took the sudden decision of going to Rome. I left Hong Kong the night of 9th January, arriving in Rome the early morning of 10th January, just in time (actually, a bit late) to join the Wednesday Public Audience. At the end of the audience, we Cardinals and Bishops are admitted to the “bacia mano” and I had the chance to put into the hands of the Holy Father the envelop, saying that I was coming to Rome for the only purpose of bringing to him a letter of Bishop Zhuang, hoping he can find time to read it (in the envelop there was the original letter of the Bishop in Chinese with my translation into Italian and a letter of mine).

For obvious reasons, I hoped my appearance at the audience would not be too much noticed, but my late arrival in the hall made it particularly noticeable. Anyway, now everybody can see the whole proceeding from the Vatican TV (by the way, the audience was held in Paul VI Hall, not in St. Peter’s Square and I was a little late to the audience, but did not have to “wait in a queue, in a cold weather”, as some media erroneously reported).

When in Rome, I met Fr. Bernard Cervellera of AsiaNews. We exchanged our information, but I told him not to write anything. He complied. Now that someone else broke the news, I can agree to confirm it. Yes, as far as I know, things happened just as they are related in AsiaNews (the AsiaNews report “believes” that the Bishop leading the Vatican Delegation was Msgr. Celli. I do not know in what official capacity he was there, but it is most likely that he was the one there in Beijing).

In this crucial moment and given the confusion in the media, I, knowing directly the situation of Shantou and indirectly that of Mindong, feel duty-bound to share my knowledge of the facts, so that the people sincerely concerned with the good of the Church may know the truth to which they are entitled. I am well aware that in doing so I may talk about things which, technically, are qualified as “confidential”. But my conscience tells me that in this case the “right to truth” should override any such “duty of confidentiality”.

With such conviction, I am going to share with you also the following:

In the afternoon of that day, 10th January, I received a phone-call from Santa Marta telling me that the Holy Father would receive me in private audience in the evening of Friday 12th January (though the report appeared only on 14th January in the Holy See bulletin). That was the last day of my 85 years of life, what a gift from Heaven! (Note that it was the vigil of the Holy Father’s departure for Chile and Peru, so the Holy Father must have been very busy).

On that evening the conversation lasted about half an hour. I was rather disorderly in my talking, but I think I succeeded to convey to the Holy Father the worries of his faithful children in China.

The most important question I put to the Holy Father (which was also in the letter) was whether he had had time “to look into the matter” (as he promised Archbishop Savio Hon). In spite of the danger of being accused of breach of confidentiality, I decide to tell you what His Holiness said: “Yes, I told them (his collaborators in the Holy See) not to create another Mindszenty case”! I was there in the presence of the Holy Father representing my suffering brothers in China. His words should be rightly understood as of consolation and encouragement more for them than for me.

I think it was most meaningful and appropriate for the Holy Father to make this historical reference to Card. Josef Mindszenty, one of the heroes of our faith. (Card. Josef Mindszenty was the Archbishop of Budapest, Cardinal Primate of Hungary under Communist persecution. He suffered much in several years in prison. During the short-lived revolution of 1956, he was freed from prison by the insurgents and, before the Red Army crashed the revolution, took refuge in the American Embassy. Under the pressure of the Government he was ordered by the Holy See to leave his country and immediately a successor was named to the likings of the Communist Government).

With this revelation, I hope I have satisfied the legitimate “right to know” of the media and of my brothers in China.

The important thing for us now is to pray for the Holy Father, very fittingly by singing the traditional song “Oremus”:

Oremus pro Pontifice nostro Francisco, Dominus conservet eum et vivificet eum et beatum faciat eum in terra et non tradat eum in animam inimicorum eius.
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Some explanations may still be in order.

1. Please, notice that the problem is not the resignation of the legitimate Bishops, but the request to make place for the illegitimate and even excommunicated ones. Many old underground Bishops, though the retirement age law has never been enforced in China, have insistently asked for a successor, but have never received any answer from the Holy See. Some others, who have a successor already named, may be even already in possession of the Bulla signed by the Holy Father, were ordered not to proceed with the ordination for fear of offending the Government.

2. I have talked mainly of the two cases of Shantou and Mindong. I do not have any other information except the copy of a letter written by an outstanding Catholic lady, a retired University professor well-acquainted with affairs of the Church in China, in which she warns Msgr. Celli against pushing for the legitimization of “bishop” Lei Shi Ying in Sichuan.

3. I acknowledge myself as a pessimist regarding the present situation of the Church in China, but my pessimism has a foundation in my long direct experience of the Church in China. From 1989 to 1996 I used to spend six months a year teaching in the various Seminaries of the official Catholic community. I had direct experience of the slavery and humiliation to which those our brother Bishops are subjected.

And from the recent information, there is no reason to change that pessimistic view. The Communist Government is making new harsher regulations limiting religious freedom. They are now strictly enforcing regulations which up to now were practically only on paper (from the 1st of February 2018 attendance to Mass in the underground will no longer be tolerated).

4. Some say that all the efforts to reach an agreement is to avoid the ecclesial schism. How ridiculous! The schism is there, in the Independent Church! The Popes avoided using the word “schism” because they knew that many in the official Catholic community were there not by their own free will, but under heavy pressure. The proposed “unification” would force everybody into that community. The Vatican would be giving the blessing on the new strengthened schismatic Church, taking away the bad conscience from all those who are already willing renegades and those others who would readily join them.

5. Is it not good to try to find mutual ground to bridge the decades-long divide between the Vatican and China? But can there be anything really “mutual” with a totalitarian regime? Either you surrender or you accept persecution, but remaining faithful to yourself (can you imagine an agreement between St. Joseph and King Herod?)

6. So, do I think that the Vatican is selling out the Catholic Church in China? Yes, definitely, if they go in the direction which is obvious from all what they are doing in recent years and months.

7. Some expert on the Catholic Church in China is saying that it is not logical to suppose a harsher religious policy from Xi Jinping. However, we are not talking about logical thinking, but the obvious and crude reality.

8. Am I the major obstacle in the process of reaching a deal between the Vatican and China? If that is a bad deal, I would be more than happy to be the obstacle.

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:Cardinal Zen: Do not follow this pope into his evil designs to destroy Holy Mother Church

24 Jan 2018

Muslim Converts: Is it not a cause for worry that the Pope proposes the Quran as a way of salvation?

 Jonathan Ekene Ifeanyi
“Pope” Francis, left, joins Grand Mufti of Istanbul, Rahmi Yaran praying in the Sultan Ahmet mosque. (AP Photo)
“Pope” Francis was once "quoted" by some characters addressing Catholic followers saying: “Jesus Christ, Mohammed, Jehovah, Allah. These are all names employed to describe an entity that is distinctly the same across the world. For centuries, blood has been needlessly shed because of the desire to segregate our faiths. This, however, should be the very concept which unites us as people, as nations, and as a world bound by faith. Together, we can bring about an unprecedented age of peace, all we need to achieve such a state is respect each other’s beliefs, for we are all children of God regardless of the name we choose to address him by. We can accomplish miraculous things in the world by merging our faiths, and the time for such a movement is now. No longer shall we slaughter our neighbours over differences in reference to their God.”

Sounds funny? Well upon investigation we learnt the "quote" was later debunked by the Vatican as false. However, anyone who knows Francis knows his religious belief is simply worse than this! He certainly may not have said it as quoted, but sure, s
tatements like the one above simply characterise the present "pontificate". He REALLY says things like that but in subtle manners. See this Video for instance. And this too. 


I wish to recommend the ‘Open Letter’ below to all Christians and Muslims in Nigeria but especially to “Christians”. I say so because, in their efforts to coexist with the Muslims, most Nigerian “Christians” believe and teach faithfully that both Muslims and Christians serve the same one God. The statement, “We all are serving the same God” is a very popular one in Nigeria. Whether you’re talking about the Protestants/Pentecostals or Vatican II Catholics, the idea — that Christians and Muslims serve the same God — is just common. Some “Christians” even see Our Lord as a mere great religious founder just as Mohammed was. For instance, during his days as the Archbishop of Lagos, Cardinal Okogie never ceased referring to Mohammed as “a prophet” — and I'm sure he still does. He would declare this always during his sermons — right on the pulpit, in the cathedral. As I once wrote, Today Lagos Island, where Cardinal Okogie was a bishop for almost 40 years, is over 70% Muslim, the rest are Protestants and pagans — Catholics here cannot be up to 4% and even these few, in reality, hardly know anything about the authentic Catholic Faith, having been brainwashed by the cardinal and his bad priests for years.” (See: Biafra: How can the Ibo Christians who promote western secularism win this war against the Muslims who promote their anti-Christ false religion?)

Of course, the Cardinal is a celebrated democrat and was/is merely acting as such. Like him, most Nigerian “Christians” promote the same idea because of the influence of democracy — the idea that everybody, male or female, is equal. You know, even the Christian God, following this democratic principle, has no right to claim superiority to any other god. To say that Christians alone serve the true God while the Muslims and pagans serve a false god is, put simply, a crime in Nigeria — at least among “learned Christians”. It is simply forbidden. But not only do Nigerian Muslims believe faithfully that Christians serve a false god, they boldly propagate it everywhere.


It is interesting to note, that while we see these Muslim converts asking whether it is not a cause for worry that the “Pope” proposes the Quran as a way of salvation, modern “Catholics” generally don’t worry about such questions, the reason being that, while the Muslims — converts or not — still retain their religious consciousness, most modern “Catholics” have lost it. Many of them are, put simply, worse than atheists.


The Open Letter was written to “Pope” Francis by Muslim converts to Catholicism. It is, indeed, a very good response to an impostor like Jorge Bergoglio. However, the only error I spotted in the letter is the fact that the writers seem not to understand what John Paul II really believed and taught about Islam. In paragraph 6, for instance, they wrote: ”… Thus ignorant souls are misled, and Christians are not preparing for a confrontation with Islam, to which St. John Paul II has called them (Ecclesia in Europa, No. 57)”.


John Paul II kissing the Quran.
Well, Magdi Allan, the ex-Muslim who they also refers to in the letter, will simply fault them on this. (See: A Non-Catholic German Warns Against Protestantization of Catholicism). How can “St.” John Paul II, who teaches that both Muslims and Christians serve the same God, and kisses the Quran, be calling — at the same time — for a “confrontation with Islam”?

The Letter:


Posted on 25 December 2017

Here follows the text of an Open Letter to Pope Francis that you can sign if you so wish. We will present it as soon as it reaches a significant number of signatories. Thank you for helping to make it known. We base our initiative on Canon Law: “According to the knowledge, the competence and the prestige enjoyed by the faithful, they have the right and sometimes even the duty to give the Sacred Shepherds their opinion on what concerns the good of the Church and to make it known to the other faithful, keeping safe the integrity of faith and morals and the reverence due to pastors, and taking into account the common utility and dignity of people.” (Canon 212 § 3):
From former Muslims who became Catholics, and their friends,
to His Holiness Pope Francis,
 about his attitude towards Islam.
                        Most Holy Father,

Many of us have tried to contact you, on many occasions and for several years, and we have never received the slightest acknowledgement of our letters or requests for meetings. You do not like to beat around the bush, and neither do we, so allow us to say frankly that we do not understand your teaching about Islam, as we read in paragraphs 252 and 253 of Evangelii Gaudium, because it does not account for the fact that Islam came AFTER Christ, and so is, and can only be, an Antichrist (see 1 Jn 2.22), and one of the most dangerous because it presents itself as the fulfillment of Revelation (of which Jesus would have been only a prophet). If Islam is a good religion in itself, as you seem to teach, why did we become Catholic? Do not your words question the soundness of the choice we made at the risk of our lives? Islam prescribes death for apostates (Quran 4.89, 8.7-11), do you know? How is it possible to compare Islamic violence with so-called Christian violence? “What is the relationship between Christ and Satan? What union is there between light and darkness? What association between the faithful and the unfaithful?” (2 Cor. 6: 14-17) In accordance with His teaching (Lk 14:26), we preferred Him, the Christ, to our own life. Are we not in a good position to talk to you about Islam?

In fact, as long as Islam wants us to be its enemy, we are, and all our protestations of friendship cannot change anything. As a proper Antichrist, Islam exists only as an enemy of all: Between us and you there is enmity and hatred forever, until you believe in Allah alone!” (Qur’an 60.4) For the Qur’an, Christians are only impurity” (Quran 9.28),” “the worst of Creation” (Qur’an 98.6)all condemned to Hell (Qur’an 4.48), so Allah must exterminate them (Quran 9.30). We must not be deceived by the Quranic verses deemed tolerant, because they have all been repealed by the verse of the Sword (Quran 9.5). Where the Gospel proclaims the good news of Jesus’ death and resurrection for the salvation of all, and the fulfillment of the Covenant initiated with the Hebrews, Allah has nothing to offer but war and murder of the “infidels” in exchange for his paradise: They fight on the way of Allah, they kill and are killed.” (Quran 9:11) We do not confuse Islam with Muslims, but if for you “dialogue” means the voice of peace, for Islam it’s only another way to make war. Also, as it was in the face of Nazism and communism, naiveté in the face of Islam is suicidal and very dangerous. How can you speak of peace and endorse Islam, as you seem to do:  “To wring from our hearts the disease that plagues our lives () Let those who are Christians do it with the Bible and those who are Muslims do it with the Quran. “(Rome, January 20, 2014)? That the Pope seems to propose the Quran as a way of salvation, is that not cause for worry? Should we return to Islam?

We beg you not to seek in Islam an ally in your fight against the powers that want to dominate and enslave the world, since they share the same totalitarian logic based on the rejection of the kingship of Christ (Lk 4.7). We know that the Beast of the Apocalypse, seeking to devour the Woman and her Child, has many heads. Allah defends such alliances by the way (Quran 5.51)! Moreover, the prophets have always reproached Israel for its willingness to ally with foreign powers, to the detriment of the complete confidence they should’ve had in God. Certainly, the temptation is strong to think that speaking in an Islamophilic tone will prevent more suffering for Christians in those countries that have become Muslim, but apart from the fact that Jesus has never indicated any other way than that of the Cross, so that we must find our joy therein and not flee with all the damned, we do not doubt that only the proclamation of the Truth brings with it not only salvation, but freedom as well (John 8.32). Our duty is to bear witness to the truth in season and out of season” (2 Timothy 4.2), and our glory is to be able to say with St. Paul: I did not want to know anything among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.” (1 Corinthians 2.2)

As to Your Holiness’s stance on Islam: even as President Erdogan, among others, asks his countrymen not to integrate into their host countries, and while Saudi Arabia and all the petrol monarchies do not welcome any refugee, expressions (among others) of the project of conquest and Islamization of Europe, officially proclaimed by the OIC and other Islamic organizations for decades; you, Most Holy Father, preach the welcoming of migrants regardless of the fact that they are Muslims, something forbidden by Apostolic command: “If anyone comes to you but refuses this Gospel, do not receive him among you nor greet him. Whoever greets him participates in his evil works.” (2 John 1.10-11); “If anyone preaches to you a different Gospel, let him be accursed!” (Galatians 1.8-9)

Just as “For I was hungry, and you gave me no food.” (Mt 25:42) cannot mean that Jesus would have liked to be a parasite, so “I was a stranger and you welcomed Me” cannot mean “I was an invader and you welcomed Me”, but rather “I needed your hospitality for a while, and you granted it to me”. The word ξένος (xenos) in the New Testament does not only have the meaning of stranger but of guest as well (Rm 16.23; 1 Co 16.5-6, Col 4.10; 3 Jn 1.5). And when YHWH in the Old Testament commands to treat foreigners well because the Hebrews have themselves been foreigners in Egypt, it is on the condition that the foreigner assimilates so well to the chosen people that he accepts their religion and practices their cultNever is there mention of welcoming a foreigner who would keep his religion and its customs! Also, we do not understand that you are pleading for Muslims to practice their religion in Europe. The meaning of Scripture should not be supplied by the proponents of globalism, but in fidelity to Tradition. The Good Shepherd hunts the wolf, He does not let it enter the sheepfold.

The pro-Islam speech of Your Holiness leads us to deplore the fact that Muslims are not invited to leave Islam, and that many ex-Muslims, such as Magdi Allam, are even leaving the Church, disgusted by her cowardice, wounded by equivocal gestures, confused by the lack of evangelization, scandalized by the praise given to Islam Thus ignorant souls are misled, and Christians are not preparing for a confrontation with Islam, to which St. John Paul II has called them (Ecclesia in Europa, No. 57). We are under the impression that you do not take your brother Bishop Nona Amel,  Chaldean-Catholic Archbishop of Mosul in exile, seriously, when he tells us: “Our present sufferings are the prelude to those that you, Europeans and Western Christians, will suffer in the near future. I have lost my diocese. The headquarters of my archdiocese and my apostolate have been occupied by radical Islamists who want us to convert or die. (…) You are welcoming into your country an ever increasing number of Muslims. You are in danger as well. You must make strong and courageous decisions (…). You think that all men are equal, but Islam does not say that all men are equal. (…) If you do not understand this very quickly, you will become the victims of the enemy that you have invited into your home.” (August 9, 2014) “. This is a matter of life and death, and any complacency towards Islam is treasonous. We do not wish the West to continue with Islamization, nor that your actions contribute to it. Where then would we go to seek refuge?

Allow us to ask Your Holiness to quickly convene a synod on the dangers of Islam. What remains of the Church where Islam has installed itself? If she still has civil rights, it is in dhimmitude, on the condition that she does not evangelize, thus denying her very essence. In the interest of justice and truth, the Church must bring to light why the arguments put forward by Islam to blaspheme the Christian faith are false. If the Church had the courage to do that, we do not doubt that millions, Muslims as well as other men and women seeking the true God, would convert. As you said: “He who does not pray to Christ, prays to the Devil.” (14.03.13) If people knew they were going to Hell, they would give their lives to Christ. (cf. Quran 3.55)

With the deepest love for Christ who, through you, leads His Church, we, converts from Islam, supported by many of our brothers in the Faith, especially the Christians of the East, and by our friends, ask Your Holiness to confirm our conversion to Jesus Christ, true God and true man, the only Savior, with a frank and right discourse on Islam, and, assuring you of our prayers in the heart of the Immaculate, we ask your apostolic blessing.

List of names of signatories and their email (certainly not all ex-Muslims will sign this Letter for fear of possible reprisals).

3,747
Márta L.
Jyväskylä
Finland
librarian, retired
Jan 17, 2018
3,746
Edit V.
Hungary
Orvos
Jan 17, 2018
3,745
Shirley M.
USA
Catholic
Jan 17, 2018
3,744
Don C.
Hillrose
United States
Hydro
Jan 17, 2018
3,743
Olav R.
Oslo
Norway
Studying
Jan 17, 2018
3,742
T. G.
Budapest
Hungary
Jan 17, 2018
3,741
Martine B.
France
retraitée
Jan 17, 2018
3,740
Pierre D.
Rennes
France
Etudiant
Jan 17, 2018
3,739
MARIE THERESE G.
MILLERY
France
retraitee
Jan 17, 2018
3,738
Jean-François L.
Jan 17, 2018